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 Post subject: Re: Frankenstein Zombie?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:14 am 
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I feel that everyone has missed the point here. In horror, it isn't what you're made of that defines you, it's what you stand for. More than any other genre, horror is the realm of metaphor.

A Zombie isn't just a reanimated corpse eating brains or a person under the control of an evil Bokor, it is a metaphor for a loss of humanity - a devolution of the soul. Zombies are what we fear we may become, a mindless soulless memeber of a herd, which is so poignantly captured in Romero's Dead mythos. The dead do not think or appreciate the food (brains) upon which they feast, they are simply physicality without meaning, body without mind - like and endless pantomime (and similar to a Golem in that respect.)

Frankenstein's Creature, however is a completely different animal. He is far from soulless, as a matter of fact he may be the single most sympathetic monster ever created. He is not undead, he is fully alive. He is a metaphor for the disaffected and the outcast, for the man searching for meaning and on a spiritual quest for his god. He is "born" knowing nothing and is immediately discarded, like a baby in a dumpster. He seeks shelter and food and soon finds himself hiding out in the woods near a farming family from whom - through simple observation of this surrogate family - he learns language, relationships and humanity. He learns to read and devours books. He comes to question who he is, why he is so different from the rest of the world and who could have made him. He remebers the one gift he was given (had stolen from) from his creator, Frankensteins journal which told indetail how he formed the creature - a Bible, if you will. His destructive nature only comes into play once he realizes he has been created out of arrogance and discarded without any concern for his well-being. His violent rage is a war against god.

Yes the Creature and the Zombie start off dead, but the Creature lives, grows and thrives while the Zombie simple destroys and decays.


Hey Keller,

While I agree with your general concept, your specifics don't work. Particularly the comment about them not enjoying their food. Your example, brains, references specifically The Return of the Living Dead, which didn't feature mindless, soulless members of the herd, but individual intelligent beings that that did enjoy their food because it halted the pain of being dead. Romero's zombies were definitely a metaphor for forced conversion/herd mentality but the zombie genre has remained strong for so long because the zombie as a metaphor is broad enough to encompass a multitude of concepts. In fact the zombies in Return are basically the oppose side of the coin to Romero's zombies. Instead of being soulless members of the herd they are the angry multitude of mob rule.

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 Post subject: Re: Frankenstein Zombie?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:57 pm 
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I have a question for those who make the argument that Frankenstein's Monster isn't a zombie because he is alive.

IS he alive? Or is he "alive"?

Part of the underlying message of the story of Frankenstein is that Man should not play God, and any life he creates will fall short. One of the films, I forget which, alluded to the notion that the lightning infused the monster with some sort of alien or extra-dimensional life force that was not the same as human life as we know it.

This accounted for certain traits the monster had in the films that came later. For example, he could be brought back to "life" with electricity. They can't do that with normal people. He was also stronger than you'd expect a creature made up of stitched-together corpse parts to be.

The Creature seems to have a sort of life, but not one that is typical of human life which would be the opposite of undead. Therefore Frankenstein is not quite alive either.


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 Post subject: Re: Frankenstein Zombie?
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Fake Larry wrote:
I have a question for those who make the argument that Frankenstein's Monster isn't a zombie because he is alive.

IS he alive? Or is he "alive"?

Part of the underlying message of the story of Frankenstein is that Man should not play God, and any life he creates will fall short. One of the films, I forget which, alluded to the notion that the lightning infused the monster with some sort of alien or extra-dimensional life force that was not the same as human life as we know it.

This accounted for certain traits the monster had in the films that came later. For example, he could be brought back to "life" with electricity. They can't do that with normal people. He was also stronger than you'd expect a creature made up of stitched-together corpse parts to be.

The Creature seems to have a sort of life, but not one that is typical of human life which would be the opposite of undead. Therefore Frankenstein is not quite alive either.


Larry, what do you mean people can't be brought back to life with electricity? What do you think defibrillator paddles are?

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 Post subject: Re: Frankenstein Zombie?
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Prisoner Abel wrote:
Larry, what do you mean people can't be brought back to life with electricity? What do you think defibrillator paddles are?


If you can bring them back when they've laid there dead for a couple of hours, I will be first in line to invest in defibrillators. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Frankenstein Zombie?
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Fake Larry wrote:
Prisoner Abel wrote:
Larry, what do you mean people can't be brought back to life with electricity? What do you think defibrillator paddles are?


If you can bring them back when they've laid there dead for a couple of hours, I will be first in line to invest in defibrillators. :)


See the problem is that the brain begins to deteriorate immediate upon death but Frankenstein overcame this by putting a fresh brain the body. So if you don't mind having your head cut open, your brain put in a jar and waking up in a new body it's probably a good investment.

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